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Wednesday, 20 August 2008

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You say - "Russia has the money and still has the opportunity to play a strong role on the world stage without resorting to coercion or intimidation, but old habits,..."
Now ask yourself the same question - "America has the money and still has the opportunity to play a strong role on the world stage without resorting to coercion or intimidation, but old habits,..."
Forgot about the 1953
CIA coup and all the others that followed and supported dictatorships?

Courtney: Read the piece again. It's all there, though not in detail

You say, "All I am saying is that, if Russia is reverting to type, maybe we can, too."
What I am saying is that the US was behind the Georgian provocation, and it is not helping the cause of "world peace" by placing missiles in Poland.A country (nameless) may be reverting to type. Oh yes - I had read the piece carefully, and read it again.
Later,
CB

quite some nonsense

Economic pressure? That's a dream. Russia has $600 billion in the bank and no debt. There is money to be made in Russia, it is the biggest European market, capitalists will stay there.

If you believe that a short term drop of a few billion in Russian currency reserves is meaningful, you haven't thought much of economics.

More here:
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2008/08/the-financial-t.html

World opinion? You are mixing up 'western' with 'world'.'Western' is less than 10% of 'world'. 90% have seen stupid Bush puppet that made a big mistake.

Kishore Mahbubani pointed that out in the FT a few days ago.

"B" - Pat was not mixing up - US foreign policy actually does use the words "world opinion" to misrepresent the 10% West, dominated by about 300 million people of the US in the world. US foreign policy does not count the 90% - what counts for big powers is their interest - not the broader interest of the real world and humanity. That seems pretty clear from all that has been said.

Pat: excellent analysis. I too think this was not and will not be seen in history as Russia's "finest hour." I think it will backfire on them just as Iraq 2003 has backfired on the Bush administration. Do I absolve parts of the Bush administration, McCain's chief foreign policy advisor,and the neocon crowd for whatever role they may have played in bolstering and encouraging Saakashvili to go beyond his military's capabilities - no I do not. I hope to see all of them out of positions of power if not influence sooner rather than later.

But, basically, I think the Russian overreaction is, as you say, the Russians being Russians. I think the Georgians walked into a Russian trap (which Condi and some others in the administration apparently warned them to avoid) but I also think the Russians walked into a neocon trap which they should have been smart enough to eschew and which will cost Russians interests mightly in Central/East Europe.

So that missiles can be planted next door? Did the US overreact when the then Soviet Union set about putting missles in Cuba, and the US made the back door deal to pull their missles out of Turkey? Let's get real and stay honest. Sorry - I am not a foreign policy expert.

Courtenay - It is quite obvious that you are not a foreign policy expert. Your objections amount to that you would have preferred a post that says it's all America's fault. You have made this objection to previous posts. I suggest that if you want your opinions written up on a blog, you get one of your own.

Testy today aren't we Cheryl? I always thought that the best way to debate was to exchange ideas and answer points validly raised.I know what I think as I express myself honestly without rancour. Kind regards.

Why the American atrocities are not reported and published,it is shame for the world power.
Russia is like a rat it acts when cats are away .
What is purpose of the United nations,will it collapse like league of nations,it is dominated by few power and no action when there is voilation by U.S ,Israil,England ,Germany and Russia. why what is the reason .
Who has to drag Mr.George bush for "War Crimes" against Iraq,one he should be brought to book.

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